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Old 10-13-2018, 07:22 PM   #21
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Your bike look awesome.

On my 50th Birthday next year I'll be selling my FZ1 and buying either an MT09 or 10? I've had the FZ1 since 2010 (bought new) and feel it's time for a change.

I'm still undecided as to which one yet but I'm leaning towards the MT10.
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Old 10-13-2018, 07:41 PM   #22
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AFM674, nice looking bike. The short range doesn't work for me, but damn that is a lot of bike for the money.
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Old 10-15-2018, 06:30 AM   #23
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My best advice would be to seek out Stoltec moto. He got it pretty dialed in for the track. R1 rear sprocket (Smaller) and a longer chain got the wheelbase back to where you could exit at full throttle in 2nd and 3rd. He has a rear shock that works very well too.

I know Nels is 'the guy' for tuning these things at 2WDW, but I did NOT like it at all. Way too much engine braking and their idea of smooth fueling doesn't jive with the my experience of Ivan's tuning on my '08 FZ1. My S1000XR's fueling is about the same as Ivan's FZ1, but less linear since I've still got the computer working the exhaust valves and throttle valve rates. The FZ10 just wasn't there yet. I see a lot of people giving pleased statements about their tunes, but just as many are having to send them back often because, "The first tune wasn't quite right." I think that part is more of a management and process issue as they don't really seem to listen to what the customer asks for. Their after-sales support seems good as they don't disappear and always offer to reflash it for you, but I just think they are not quite there yet.

My $.02 on exhaust would be to either get the R1 headers (Ti) and Akra exhaust for the full Ti system. Or change headers if you like, but use a Mivv midpipe and muffler of your choosing, either the Suono or speed edge/oval. They are quieter than the stock muffler, but you need it since without the CAT exhaust under the bike, these are brutally loud, and you can order Mivv from PJ, which is always great. It's really high quality stuff and he has the best prices. SC project are my favorite right now for most bikes, but you would have to custom order the larger muffler for a decatted bike or for the R1. The Stock muffler is just as loud as that yosh you have or the accessory Akra slip-on. They're all straight-through. The Comp Werkes and Austin Racing sound cool, but they get pretty annoying after 30-40 minutes or any type of non-balls out riding. You'll need the Mivv or larger SC muffler to run in Monterrey anyway for noise abatement, I'm telling you , uncorked these (and the R1's are f'ing loud).
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:21 AM   #24
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My best advice would be to seek out Stoltec moto. He got it pretty dialed in for the track. R1 rear sprocket (Smaller) and a longer chain got the wheelbase back to where you could exit at full throttle in 2nd and 3rd. He has a rear shock that works very well too.

I know Nels is 'the guy' for tuning these things at 2WDW, but I did NOT like it at all. Way too much engine braking and their idea of smooth fueling doesn't jive with the my experience of Ivan's tuning on my '08 FZ1. My S1000XR's fueling is about the same as Ivan's FZ1, but less linear since I've still got the computer working the exhaust valves and throttle valve rates. The FZ10 just wasn't there yet. I see a lot of people giving pleased statements about their tunes, but just as many are having to send them back often because, "The first tune wasn't quite right." I think that part is more of a management and process issue as they don't really seem to listen to what the customer asks for. Their after-sales support seems good as they don't disappear and always offer to reflash it for you, but I just think they are not quite there yet.

My $.02 on exhaust would be to either get the R1 headers (Ti) and Akra exhaust for the full Ti system. Or change headers if you like, but use a Mivv midpipe and muffler of your choosing, either the Suono or speed edge/oval. They are quieter than the stock muffler, but you need it since without the CAT exhaust under the bike, these are brutally loud, and you can order Mivv from PJ, which is always great. It's really high quality stuff and he has the best prices. SC project are my favorite right now for most bikes, but you would have to custom order the larger muffler for a decatted bike or for the R1. The Stock muffler is just as loud as that yosh you have or the accessory Akra slip-on. They're all straight-through. The Comp Werkes and Austin Racing sound cool, but they get pretty annoying after 30-40 minutes or any type of non-balls out riding. You'll need the Mivv or larger SC muffler to run in Monterrey anyway for noise abatement, I'm telling you , uncorked these (and the R1's are f'ing loud).
Thanks Wonger,

The guy I bought it from said it's too loud with out the cat and the stock exhaust. I have a link pipe, but I don't know which one it is...I'll ask him. I bought an R1 exhaust & Ti headers...already has Nels flash, but will get some proper dyno runs done next spring to get it dialed in some more as far as drive ability goes and engine braking. I took it out with a very fast group on tires I don't usually run and have never bought since the mid 80's (Michelin) and poor stock revalved suspension that I don't like. I thought I would be mid pack with this group...especially since I wasn't clicking with the FZ10 yet. Well ridden hard it wasn't bad and I was killing these guys...leaving darkies out of turns I was told by the group fast guy. Anyway...enough bench racing...I'm going to make this the baddest FZ10 in the USA or one of the baddest. I could just buy a 17' R1 and trick it out...but that wouldn't be any fun and it wouldn't be an FZ cool naked bike. R1 in a few years maybe. I'll post up my FZ10 build with full details and pics. It's going to be wicked trick. I still ride my trusty and favorite 09' bad boy daily...it's also the favorite for my occasional trackdays. The FZ10 will get a trackday try out next year. Later Fizzers
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:42 AM   #25
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If you're going for that, just keep your eyes peeled for wrecked R1 and R1M engines. It'll get you a lot farther than tuning the FZ/R1S motor.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:22 AM   #26
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Thanks Wonger,

The guy I bought it from said it's too loud with out the cat and the stock exhaust. I have a link pipe, but I don't know which one it is...I'll ask him. I bought an R1 exhaust & Ti headers...already has Nels flash, but will get some proper dyno runs done next spring to get it dialed in some more as far as drive ability goes and engine braking. I took it out with a very fast group on tires I don't usually run and have never bought since the mid 80's (Michelin) and poor stock revalved suspension that I don't like. I thought I would be mid pack with this group...especially since I wasn't clicking with the FZ10 yet. Well ridden hard it wasn't bad and I was killing these guys...leaving darkies out of turns I was told by the group fast guy. Anyway...enough bench racing...I'm going to make this the baddest FZ10 in the USA or one of the baddest. I could just buy a 17' R1 and trick it out...but that wouldn't be any fun and it wouldn't be an FZ cool naked bike. R1 in a few years maybe. I'll post up my FZ10 build with full details and pics. It's going to be wicked trick. I still ride my trusty and favorite 09' bad boy daily...it's also the favorite for my occasional trackdays. The FZ10 will get a trackday try out next year. Later Fizzers
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:53 PM   #27
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If you're going for that, just keep your eyes peeled for wrecked R1 and R1M engines. It'll get you a lot farther than tuning the FZ/R1S motor.
I hear you Wonger, but a good low mileage R1M motor is pretty expensive. I'm used to riding around little problems with throttle response...excessive engine braking etc. I'll be fine with the engine and electronics...it's the suspension that absolutely has to go. It's the biggest problem for me...new shock and cartridges going on the bike in the next month or so. If the bike gets some electronic upgrades etc in say 2020 or 2021...I'll buy one and swap parts. - Cheers
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:08 PM   #28
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Your bike look awesome.

On my 50th Birthday next year I'll be selling my FZ1 and buying either an MT09 or 10? I've had the FZ1 since 2010 (bought new) and feel it's time for a change.

I'm still undecided as to which one yet but I'm leaning towards the MT10.
Thanks...get the 10.
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Old 01-20-2019, 07:10 AM   #29
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Was good seeing you yesterday, Mike.

Next time, we can chat for a few minutes.

We are doing a ride tomorrow up the coast to Duarte's in Pescadero for breakfast. Meet at Rich's place at 10:00 a.m., then head north on Highway 1.

Make it, if you can.

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Old 01-20-2019, 12:02 PM   #30
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I've seriously considered trading in my FJR for this beast! Considered buying Wonger's and another one of the ones that have popped up here, too. I've really had my eye on this Armor Gray and Yellow since they came out.

https://www.pasadenayamaha.com/inven...91107-2635179i

It IS awesome. Sounds so good with the Yosh.


AB 1824 has got me wondering if I want to buy a bike that has a closed-course exhaust just now, though...


Edit: This one also comes with the stock. But it'd be a shame to switch it back! Maybe I could sell the 3/4 and get the street-legal Yosh Alpha instead.
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Old 01-20-2019, 01:17 PM   #31
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AB 1824 has got me wondering if I want to buy a bike that has a closed-course exhaust just now, though...

Edit: This one also comes with the stock. But it'd be a shame to switch it back! Maybe I could sell the 3/4 and get the street-legal Yosh Alpha instead.
Really happy with the street legal Yosh made for the FJ-09. Some growl when I'm on it, weight savings, nice appearance are good enough for me. Been over excessively loud pipes for years now anyway
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Really happy with the street legal Yosh made for the FJ-09. Some growl when I'm on it, weight savings, nice appearance are good enough for me. Been over excessively loud pipes for years now anyway
Nice. Good to know. Thanks, Jon!
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:20 PM   #33
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I've seriously considered trading in my FJR for this beast! Considered buying Wonger's and another one of the ones that have popped up here, too. I've really had my eye on this Armor Gray and Yellow since they came out.

https://www.pasadenayamaha.com/inven...91107-2635179i

It IS awesome. Sounds so good with the Yosh.


AB 1824 has got me wondering if I want to buy a bike that has a closed-course exhaust just now, though...


Edit: This one also comes with the stock. But it'd be a shame to switch it back! Maybe I could sell the 3/4 and get the street-legal Yosh Alpha instead.
The muffler law does not apply to bikes.

https://jalopnik.com/why-people-are-...1831620651/amp
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:45 PM   #34
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The muffler law does not apply to bikes.

https://jalopnik.com/why-people-are-...1831620651/amp
Fake news, Conner. Nothing in that article I can find gives any indication the law does not apply to bikes. I'm skeptical of rando internet articles, anyhow.

What the article does say (which people on various forums have commonly interpreted as "not applying to bikes") is that car exhausts are limited to 95 dB. People are right; the limit for bikes is 80 dB.

Also, there are a host of other statutes that prohibit modifications, emissions equipment alterations, and lack of compliance stickers.

The relevant statutes are CVC 27150, 27151, 27153, 27156, 27202.1, 27204.

People have been getting fix-it tickets under these statutes for years, despite the common practice of LEO turning a blind eye (the previous owner of my FZ1n actually got one a few years ago for the Mivv on my bike, I was told).

It does sound like "many" (aka "some") cops don't plan to enforce. But they could. It also sounds like the "instant $1000 fine" rumor from the video is an approximation. But the statutory fine for several of the codes above are about $250 ea (if I remember right). Combined, plus court costs, could easily be about $1k.

Ultimately, I'm taking my chances with the Mivv on my "new" bike. But I did put in the dB killer. The one code my bike doesn't violate is the "EPA" label one, because my bike is older than 2013. It also appears to have the cat. So all up a Leo would really have to have a hard-on to give a ticket with my current setup (but one probably could and it would be a PITA).

If there is anything concrete that is contrary to what I've said above, I welcome it. But this is the best info I've been able to find.

Edit: But ya, that growling yosh race pipe with no block off plates on that FZ10 was begging for attention. As if a 150 hp super naked with bright yellow wheels wouldn't generate enough publicity. ...But part of me still wishes I bought it...
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There is a Fazer MT10 edition coming out soon. Would be more my taste than the fully naked bike the std MT10 was.
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