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Old 01-04-2019, 11:51 AM   #61
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The "big kids" are the know it all d-bags that seem to have an opinion on everything. Bunch of cranky old has beens! Most of them couldn't ride their way out of a wet paper sack if their life depended on it!
I doubt you are referring to big kids on this forum. Most are d-bags in some way or another (it’s what makes them great), but I’ll say this. I’m 25, I think I’m a slightly above average skilled rider, and even with a d*ck full of confidence, these “old bags” who are 20-40 years my senior, whoop my ass all the time. Experience plus years of road knowledge make most of these “geezers” potent potent riders.

Everyone else on the Internet, can go fvck themselves
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:55 AM   #62
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The "big kids" are the know it all d-bags that seem to have an opinion on everything. Bunch of cranky old has beens! Most of them couldn't ride their way out of a wet paper sack if their life depended on it!
I just want to go on record as not having said that or implied that, nor do I feel that way. Carry on
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:00 PM   #63
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im a dbag and a big kid and I do indeed still say its ugly (nor can I ride my way out of a paper sack, but hey we do the best we can). And I hope to god the guy who used Microsoft paint to see what yellow brake lines would look like on his bike didn't follow through with it.

NOTHING flows on it, it makes the uneven headlights on a s1000 look like a fine art sculpture.
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:12 PM   #64
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:34 PM   #65
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well you don't want to spend money on a pig faced hooker do you? lol
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:39 PM   #66
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Me? I’m not spending money on any hooker.
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:53 PM   #67
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well you don't want to spend money on a pig faced hooker do you? lol
Not if I'm going to look at her when I ride her.
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:43 PM   #68
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:37 PM   #69
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I’m just wondering if this thread has gone off the tracks from FZ1 vs FZ10 performance, which has potential to be objective, to something purely subjective, like looks?
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Obviously that’s what’s happened. We just keen bumping it to the top, maybe someone with experience will chime in..

And the fz1 vs fz10 performance can be as subjective as it’s looks.

It’s been out for a while, and they still aren’t selling that good though. Price/performance/looks ratio just isn’t right.
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:04 PM   #71
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Not to mention MPG is still the worst of all “super nakeds”. Even the 1100 Tuono gets better MPG. According to professional ride reviews and their fuel consumption monitoring. What gives Yamaha?
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:22 PM   #72
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I’m just wondering if this thread has gone off the tracks from FZ1 vs FZ10 performance, which has potential to be objective, to something purely subjective, like looks?
Like I said, I'll probably have one some day, but I don't love the way it looks.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:27 PM   #73
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"Race against" won't be subjective. Rider, not bike. Carry on.
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Well how does it feel compared to the gen2?
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Old 09-18-2019, 06:26 AM   #76
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I doubt you are referring to big kids on this forum.
Not at all. I'm glad you recognized that. From the short time I've been here, I've seen a wealth of motorcycle knowledge that would rival the old Encyclopedia Britanica. (only us old folks know what those books are, haha!)

By "big kids" I was referring to the armchair/spec sheet racers so common on many motorcycle forums.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:01 AM   #77
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I have a fully Ivanized 2009 FZ1 with a Penske shock and Traxxion re-worked forks. I also have a mostly stock 2017 FZ10.

The FZ1 butt dyno says that it has more power up top (8000 rpm and up - quite a rush), while the FZ10 feels like it has more power everywhere else. The FZ10 handles better and I really enjoy the quickshifter. The CP4 engine is really incredible. Great sound even with the stock exhaust, but a little too quiet for my tastes. I do not like the incredibly tiny friction zone on the clutch, but a throttle tamer has worked wonders and the slipper clutch action is nice. Can't decide if I want to send the ECU off for tweaking.

I like the way the FZ1's clutch engagement works better and the fueling (post Ivan) is perfect. I cannot say anything bad about the FZ1. Everything just works.

The FZ10 looks are polarizing. I think some just say it's ugly because of mob mentality (go with the herd). However, I can understand the people that truly think it's unappealing. Tastes vary. IMO, if you see one in person, it gets much better looking.

I thought that I would sell the FZ1 when I got the FZ10, but they are enough different that I am keeping both.
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:20 AM   #78
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Agreed that it's grown on me a bit, and definitely looks different in person.
I've now got a 2017 fz09 which has the similar headlight setup, and I think it actually looks good on there
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:42 AM   #79
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The FZ10 handles better and I really enjoy the quickshifter.
Ken, don't take this the wrong way, but I'm just curious. Why do you say the FZ10 handles better? I assume its just the impression that it feels easier to ride quicker? I thought my Gen2 with stock suspension handled better than my Gen1 with a Penske and AK20s, but I can't say that it would have been faster around a track. I rode that Gen1 very quickly in the mountains, but the Gen2 just felt easier to go fast. However, I have my doubts.
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Old 09-20-2019, 05:47 AM   #80
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When I say, "handles better" I am referring to ease of transitions and high/low speed control. The shorter wheelbase is instantly noticeable. However, the FZ1 feels slightly better in high speed sweepers. More stable. The electronic damper on the FZ10 seems to do its job as it should though. I have never noticed it in action when the front tire comes down after having it in the air (accidentally, of course). I just have not experienced any wobble.

Even though I have removed some weight from the FZ1 (mostly by adding the full R77 exhaust) it still feels (and is) heavier when trying to change direction at any speed. This adds to the FZ10's "flickableness-osity".

Much of this is subjective of course. The handlebar on the FZ10 is wide and gives a lot of leverage (compared to the FZ1). I have considered swapping the FZ1 handlebar for one of the suggested aftermarket bars talked about on this forum.

If you really want to experience a wide bar, try my Moto Guzzi Griso (picture/avatar). The bike is a mile long and almost as wide, but handles surprisingly well.
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