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Old 01-10-2020, 07:44 AM   #1
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2020 BMW S 1000 RR DOA

Not my kind of bike anymore, but I do like to keep up on industry news. I know BMW has the worst rating for reliability, but this is really bad considering the S 1000 RR is one of their flagships.

BMW issued a stop selling order for recalls - the recalls they are willing to admit to, that is - and the bike is plagued with a host of other problems/shortcomings.

Unreal. I feel sorry for the customers who bought early, and especially for those who traded in a perfectly good earlier model. Bummer.

I guess they should have ordered the "QC Package". Just like BMW's other stupidly expensive "Touring, Sport, Etc Packages" that make an otherwise reasonably priced Base Model - which you can't get anyway - absurdly pricey.

BMW is another historical/unique/boutique brand that I want to like, but they make it hard to do.
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:33 AM   #2
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Slap some gold on them and all will be well.
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Old 01-10-2020, 09:49 AM   #3
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Guess that is the joy of living in MN. The folks who ordered them here have 4-5 months for them to figure it out before it matters.
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Old 01-10-2020, 02:04 PM   #4
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Slap some gold on them and all will be well.
LOL, you jerk.

I'm up to 40K miles on that golden pile of replacement parts and fixes. Yeah, that's nothing for a Japanese bike, but seeing that I just don't ride that much anymore, and it's a Ducati, I'm in rarefied air with that one.
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Old 01-10-2020, 02:30 PM   #5
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The Indianapolis BMW dealer closed their doors a couple of months ago, it was the last BMW dealer in Indiana.
I stopped in just before they closed their doors to check out an R1250GS and the salesman advised me against it as he already knew they were shutting down, he said he would never sell BMWs again due to the customer complaints on repairs and repair costs.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:51 PM   #6
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That's one of the factors that made selling my K1200 an easy decision. After the Tallahassee shop closed, the next closest shop was 300 miles away.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:57 PM   #7
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I wonder when Gateway BMW, the St. Louis area BMW dealer, will finally close. They don't have the best rep for customer service, but then again, do any of the BMW?

I've ridden many BMWs, but wold NEVER own one. Riding on Japanese bikes has spoiled me, big time.
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:07 PM   #8
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Have you ridden a s1000rr?

I have ridden a lot of bikes. I’ve never had a bike give me the thrill a bolt on/tuned s1000 did.
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:49 PM   #9
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There are quite a few who have drank the Kool-Aid and many of them have deep pockets. This will allow some dealers to hold on for a while. Hard to believe there is no dealer in a city the size of Indy...not a good sign.

Was recently having a discussion with a BMW owner who would only replace his battery with an oem BMW battery and all work/maintenance had to be done by the dealer.
There must be some good sh!t in that Kool-Aid.
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Old 01-10-2020, 05:15 PM   #10
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I put a new battery from Walmart in my BMW.
I don't really like koolaid.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:01 PM   #11
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I stopped in just before they closed their doors to check out an R1250GS and the salesman advised me against it as he already knew they were shutting down, he said he would never sell BMWs again due to the customer complaints on repairs and repair costs.
That is one cool salesman.

I had something similar occur years ago when I was looking at an Aprillia at a multi brand dealership. The salesman took me aside and said don't do it because they were about to drop Aprillia on account of all the complaints and lack of support.
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:09 PM   #12
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I put a new battery from Walmart in my BMW.
1. That just voided your BMW warranty.

Even if it already expired.

2. The BMW-Battery-Only Sensor has already sent a signal to the Stielhandgranate hidden inside your rear shock.

Please expect your nuts to be blown to bits shortly.
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Old 01-10-2020, 08:39 PM   #13
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Or the rear brake seizing, like on your Multistrada. lol!

Hello lunatic, how are you?

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Old 01-10-2020, 09:55 PM   #14
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Have you ridden a s1000rr?

I have ridden a lot of bikes. I’ve never had a bike give me the thrill a bolt on/tuned s1000 did.
Yes. It was fun, but I’d never buy one. My cousin has had his in the shop for more times than you can count.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:06 PM   #15
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Or the rear brake seizing, like on your Multistrada. lol!

Hello lunatic, how are you?

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Yeah that was a close one. doing all right my man. we need to catch up again soon. Damn work keeps getting in the way. ☹️☹️
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:36 AM   #16
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Get it while you can, lol!

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Old 01-11-2020, 11:26 AM   #17
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Old 01-12-2020, 09:30 PM   #18
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I put a new battery from Walmart in my BMW.
I don't really like koolaid.
It sounds like 1995 beemer bashing in here, ironically from a guy atop the worst piece of shit motorcycle ever engineered and sold. Yes I took KTM stats into account.

A quick web search in "BMW stop sale" looks like they do this a lot, glad I don't have the 120K M5 or 2016 Mercedes S class with the faulty programming / wiring issues. Funny, Toyota can build Tundras that go 300K miles with non union San Antonio labor but the Germans have to over engineer new globally sourced products every 2 years.

BMW Motorrad owners bitch a lot, most of them are retired and don't ride anywhere but will use purchase price to fuel their ratio of complaints. The new 200 hp RR has shift fork issues? Yea, stop the bleeding and some complaints, save a life. Any BMW only moto store can't survive on the margins in place,
that probably goes for any brand of bike.

I can share tales of the McLaren store, they make more than 7% on those but those customers REALLY pitch a fit.
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Old 01-13-2020, 09:46 PM   #19
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Finally a BMW post I can add to. (it has been a while)

As most of you know I ride the S1000R. *(not the RR).

I've had only a love love relationship with mine for the most part. Occasionally the lean angle sensor gets confused and sets a warning. To the best of my knowledge it is still doing its thing and all is good, light usually goes off on the next restart or I have to use a code reader to clear the code. (It is $700 to replace it I hear). My one complaint is that the light that comes on is the same one that comes on when you disable the traction control. I have once made the mistake of spooling up full throttle in the rain (while in rain mode) only to realize the traction control was off and it was not the stupid light for the lean angle sensor. (it was a bit dicey)

I failed to realize I had some issues with my front wheel bearings. I drag my bike all over the place on the hitch of my truck and have done so at least once in what I would call a flood. I guess some water got past the bearing seals and this caused rust and the bearing to fail. This caused the wheel to deflect some while riding and warped the rotors. The replacement of the rotors was right at $1000 (dealer installed). PJ and I did the bearing while at is house. (so I saved some money on the labor but the bearings still came from BMW but they were sort of reasonable).

Other stuff is all maintenance oil, chain sprockets and valve adjustment. (note valve adjustment is every 18k miles and is just over $900.) I watched the videos and I'll gladly pay the $900 to avoid that. not to mention if I failed to do something right the engine would probably cost me $6k or more.

Let me tell you about my dealer. They are a tad expensive but they are great. I have been in the back handing my mechanic tools shooting the shit. They dropped everything they were doing to test ride my bike onetime and even swapped parts from my bike to a new bike to ensure that the issue (front wheel vibration was not the in the bearings or new brake rotors. This was all done with me just showing up asking them to give it a look on a Saturday morning. They are usually good to follow back up with a call and great to deal with in general. This is in great contrast to what was my old metric bike dealer who didn't even want to look at my 8 year old bike one time. (all they every got was my parts business, and now they are out of business and re opened under the Mountain Motorsports brand. (I'm not a fan).

I use the lithium battery that PJ sells and other than being a bit under powered on a really cold day it has been a great battery for the BMW. Probably good for another 3 mph in top speed.
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Old 01-14-2020, 03:31 AM   #20
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How cold does it have to get for that battery to start having problems btw, Cruzman?
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