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Old 05-12-2017, 03:29 PM   #361
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:38 AM   #362
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Do you still have adaptors for sale?
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:13 PM   #363
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Do you still have adaptors for sale?
Sorry to say, the shelf emptied about 2 weeks ago. Next run in July-August. PM and I'll put your handle on a notification list.
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Old 05-23-2017, 02:11 PM   #364
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Thats basically the end of the riding season (August) for me ill just wait tell next year. thanks anyways.
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:04 PM   #365
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Okay, would appreciate a sanity check...
Short version... 190lb rider, 07/08 shock and adapter, max preload, 40mm of sag. Is this what I should expect, or did I screw something up?
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Old 06-18-2017, 08:48 PM   #366
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I suspect that you and your machine geared up are a bit over the 190# rear loading. 40mm (1.6") is a bit on the high side for preload for the '07-08 spring.

It is possible that you have an '04-'06 spring. If your wet weight is near the 220# range you may need a heavier spring. Maybe not.

I suggest that you put at least 150 miles on the shock and adjust the damping settings for your riding style. Does it bottom frequently? On large bumps or hard cornering? The damping settings should eliminate the pogo-stick effect.

Unless you have some dirt-bike or track time, it is difficult to appreciate a spring matched to your weight. The bike should feel like it is 'floating' over bumps and pavement perturbations. The stock spring is quite stiff and transmits most of the amplitude directly to the riders bum if he/she is less than 240 or so.

Sanity is relative. In this group, it's not shocking to question the norm. Let your butt be the measure. Style is everything, some like it stiffer.
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:03 PM   #367
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Satan666 - Tried to PM you man but it wont let me? How do I tell what year R1 shock I have? Also your adapter - how much higher does it rains the rear 1/4 an inch (I thought)

I lowered the front 3/4 of an inch, and also have a 1in lowering link, which I believe puts it about right with your adapter, thanks!
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:25 PM   #368
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Satan666 - Tried to PM you man but it wont let me? How do I tell what year R1 shock I have? Also your adapter - how much higher does it rains the rear 1/4 an inch (I thought)

I lowered the front 3/4 of an inch, and also have a 1in lowering link, which I believe puts it about right with your adapter, thanks!
I assume that you have either an '04-'06 or an '07-'08 shock using the Version 4 adapter (does not use the upper R1 shock clevis).

The 04-06 shock adjusts the compression from the right side when installed. The '07-'08 has 2 compression adjusters (inner key and outer nut) on the left side.

The Version 4 adapter raises the rear approximately 20mm or 3/4" over stock with proper preload set (28-30mm 1 1/4 - 1 3/8"). Check the lowering link for clearance with the lower shock eye with the shock fully extended. Carefully lift the rear end with a ceiling hoist on the tail section or a jack under the exhaust toward the rear of thee engine.

If your lowering link (dogbone) makes contact with the shock, it is a dangerous condition. The lowering link should have a cut-out or relief at that point to prevent contact. Repeated contact while riding could result in the link breaking, the rear end collapsing and a broken link making contact with the ground. If this occurs while turning, you will have difficulty avoiding a crash.

I assume you wish to lower the seat level. Your approach is fine but may require adjustment (shortening) of the kickstand. Also, with the reduced ground clearance under the engine, negotiating curbs may be tricky with the exhaust making contact.

The FZ1 does benefit from raising the rear in relation to the front with a difference from 3/4 to 1". It gives the bike a quicker turn-in and reduces the amount of force required to counter-steer. Too much difference >1" may result in high speed instability and require a steering damper.
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:46 AM   #369
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Satan666 - I've got a '04-'06 R1 shock coming. I weigh 175# all geared up, so going from older posts on this thread the '04-'06 should be right on the money. How important is it to get this shock freshened up before I install it? It seems like some people on here swear by having them gone over by a shock specialist. Is this necessary, in your opinion? Or can I just throw the used shock on, not worry about it, and have good results? Also, when I have a passenger am I going to need to crank the preload up? Is this easy to do? I bought my '09 used and it didn't come with the preload adjustment tool, so I guess I'd need to get one of those.

I PM'd you about getting on the notification list for your next batch of adapters but didn't get a reply, so I don't know if it went through.

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Old 07-12-2017, 06:50 PM   #370
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Okay, would appreciate a sanity check...
Short version... 190lb rider, 07/08 shock and adapter, max preload, 40mm of sag. Is this what I should expect, or did I screw something up?
Followup on this, got another R1 shock cheap, measured the same, took bike to local suspension guru, and it was in the 30's with a a few preload steps left... So, either my process for measuring sag was off, or my assistant measured wrong...
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:13 PM   #371
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Satan666 - I've got a '04-'06 R1 shock coming. I weigh 175# all geared up, so going from older posts on this thread the '04-'06 should be right on the money. How important is it to get this shock freshened up before I install it? It seems like some people on here swear by having them gone over by a shock specialist. Is this necessary, in your opinion? Or can I just throw the used shock on, not worry about it, and have good results? Also, when I have a passenger am I going to need to crank the preload up? Is this easy to do? I bought my '09 used and it didn't come with the preload adjustment tool, so I guess I'd need to get one of those.

I PM'd you about getting on the notification list for your next batch of adapters but didn't get a reply, so I don't know if it went through.

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I have purchased many used R1 shocks. All of them were clean and did not show signs of leakage. After removing the spring, I check the damping action. So far, I have not received a shock which needs a rebuild.

You should adjust preload for passenger transport. Remember that the GCW of the FZ1 is only a bit over 400#s with the stock spring which is significantly stronger than the R1. Even with preload adjustment you may experience bottoming and you should reduce cornering speeds to prevent that in turns.

Preload adjustment tools are common and available at places such as Cycle Gear. Before you install the R1 shock you should check the rotation collar for cleanliness and lubrication. The best would be removal of the spring. cleaning and greasing the collar and stay insert. At minimum, a dose of penetrating chain lubricant and light greasing of the ramp notches will make the adjustment job a lot easier.

You are on the list.Sorry, I must have missed the PM reply. Sent you the info.
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Old 07-14-2017, 07:28 AM   #372
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Hey, thanks for the info, Satan666. The shock looked like it was in pretty good condition in the pics, so hopefully it proves to be in good condition when it's in my hands. No problem on the PM reply, thanks again.
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