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Old 07-25-2019, 08:39 AM   #21
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Bought my current motor on this site in late 2014. Took two days of slow methodical effort to change it. What's the chances of that deal coming around twice, well I almost bought a third Gen 1 complete with 9000 miles for $900, last week till someone beat me to it.

Gen 1 economics are upside down. I've already won my bet, the question is how much further can I go.

What are they charging at the local dealers around you for valve changes on Genesis engines? I'm at 250K miles and never broke down once, although I've just jinxed myself.

I've been a member on this site since 2001 and if you do a search for burnt valves you'll find only one or two related to a Gen 2.

Again fermic37 I'm not being facetious, you're totally right.

Seriously everyone please follow all mfr guidelines.

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Old 07-25-2019, 08:47 AM   #22
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Really....Only Gen 2 has had burned valves?

Chalk another one up for Gen1!

(Just stirrin' the pot)
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:04 AM   #23
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The hardest part about adjusting the valves on my first Gen1 was finding a set of narrow feeler gauges that will fit in there. I think it’s just that extra intake valve that needs the narrow one, but not sure. Been a long time. But yes, not bad at all to check them. Drain radiator, remove tank and valve cover. Mine had a couple close to tight at 30,000, so I fixed them. Get them all on the loose side of spec, and then don’t worry about them again. I checked my son’s at 55,000 or so and a couple were right at tight. Really need to go back in there and fix his before he burns a valve.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:09 AM   #24
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Oh, and be sure to blow all the dirt and gravel out from around the coolant pipes in the head before removing the valve cover. Don’t want that stuff in the motor.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:10 AM   #25
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Lol. I’m just a stickler for preventative maintenance.

And checking the valves takes 2-3hrs.

But yeah there are people who never change their oil and their engines don’t blow up. So there are plenty of chances one can take.

I for one don’t like to take them. Especially when a bike gets ridden in a spirited fashion.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:58 AM   #26
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Couple thoughts here
Super easy? This is the tutorial I watched - and his step 2 and 3 videos. Looks like a nightmare even with the engine out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3My_Iw8Wc

Removing an engine seems really simple in comparison ;)
you obviously never removed an engine, or spent too much time trying to get all four carb boots to line back up.

I assure you, its not a nightmare
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:03 AM   #27
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you obviously never removed an engine, or spent too much time trying to get all four carb boots to line back up.

I assure you, its not a nightmare
I had my carbs off a couple weeks ago, getting the carbs back on the boots was super simple compared to my KZ750. The throttle cables were a pain. I have pulled engines out of just about anything you can imagine ;)

In any event, I'll gladly pay $400 or so not to have to do what I saw in that video.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:31 AM   #28
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Chuck, with all due respect, I’m not sure what part of the video worries you. You’re obviously an experienced mechanic, based on everything you’ve posted so far. Also think you have a service manual. Once you get the valve cover off, you just check the clearances like he showed. You can even reuse the valve cover gasket and seals. Now pulling the cams and changing shims can get a little tricky, but just checking them will either give you peace of mind or justify spending the money to have them adjusted. Plus at any time you can put the valve cover back on and button it up if you decide you don’t like what you see when you get in there.
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I had my carbs off a couple weeks ago, getting the carbs back on the boots was super simple compared to my KZ750. The throttle cables were a pain. I have pulled engines out of just about anything you can imagine ;)

In any event, I'll gladly pay $400 or so not to have to do what I saw in that video.
Aw sh*t, jump on in, it ain't much worse than whittling a spark plug wrench out of a corn cob.
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:50 AM   #30
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I remember my first time, I was worried I was going to be in over my head, I had been reading articles and how toos for years, my palms were sweaty, hands were shaking, I was hoping my tool would work for the job, finally I just dove right in.

Oh we are talking about motorcycles.
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:01 AM   #31
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Here’s a link to Fast Frank’s valve adjustment tips. Frank is a career Yamaha dealer tech, and a good one.

http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/fastfrank...menttips.shtml
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:16 AM   #32
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Local dealer just quoted 3.8 hours @$95 an hour plus parts for valve adjustment. The issue for me is, why bother checking them if I am not willing to adjust them when I find they are out of spec?

Maybe I'll get super bored and one day decide that I'd rather buy some skinny feelers instead of just giving someone $400 to deal with it.

I do appreciate all the advice
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:42 PM   #33
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I see what you’re saying, and it makes sense. My only concern would be trusting the shop to do it properly. But I guess you have to do that whenever you take something in to get worked on.
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Old 07-25-2019, 05:19 PM   #34
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Because if they don’t need adjusted you saved yourself money and didn’t waste money on a shop just pulling off your valve cover.

Or if they are close to needing adjusted then you know to schedule it.
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Old 08-05-2019, 07:03 PM   #35
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Lol. Iím just a stickler for preventative maintenance.

And checking the valves takes 2-3hrs.

But yeah there are people who never change their oil and their engines donít blow up. So there are plenty of chances one can take.

I for one donít like to take them. Especially when a bike gets ridden in a spirited fashion.
I just like pissing money away . 6750 I put in Mobil One racing 4t and at 10,500 I put in Amzoil .
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