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Old 09-13-2018, 11:20 AM   #1
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V4 vs. inline 4 Motogp engine

Just wondering what people's opinion is on this. This is the first I'm hearing of this as a potential problem. Could this be part of Yamaha's issue?

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Old 09-13-2018, 02:57 PM   #2
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I doubt it, I think their issues are spending too much time testing current bikes when Jorge and the old man were vying for the championship and not enough time looking into the new spec electronics like all the other teams. And now they are 18 months behind where everyone else is at with the electronics. Yamaha have dropped the ball with development a while ago when they were winning by getting complacent in thinking they had a championship bike (they did) but the others progressed where they stood still. There time will come again. they may need to make some internal changes to the engineers in the factory and get the European test team working hard to achieve this, but they will.
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Old 09-13-2018, 03:40 PM   #3
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Would not surprise me to see a Yamaha 1000 c.c. V4 "R1", in 2020.

The R1 big bang street engine, will be five years old since 2015, and would be due for a fresh model.

Nothing wrong with the current R1, but a V4 would really sell for Yamaha, IMHO.

Just a thought here.

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Old 09-13-2018, 04:12 PM   #4
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A V4 sport bike from any one other than Honda? Hmmm. Not even Honda does that anymore. Would certainly be out of the ordinary for Yamaha. Think about how long they clung to that 5 valve design.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:13 PM   #5
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I dunno about Yamaha coming out with a V4 superbike, as V4 engines are more costly to produce than I4s are.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:16 PM   #6
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Just because your competition is running whatever does not mean your platform is not viable. Torque and hp are the game.
I think the inline 4 crossplane is the option. And hey, I own a V4. Get it to rev, get it to produce top end power. Technology is there. Either that or get the V5 going and shut the fook up.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:19 PM   #7
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Like i stated above gentlemen, just a thought.

That being said, would not surprise me, if they did bring out a V4.

Wouldn't that be fun! lol!

A R1 V4, and maybe even a sit up and beg, V4 version.

Once again, just me talking out loud here.

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Old 09-13-2018, 04:50 PM   #8
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Yamaha has serious issues selling big bikes in the US apparently, even relative to other mfgs they used to trounce.

That Crashing Sound You Hear Is Yamaha’s Big Bike Sales in the USA


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Because of this trend, Yamaha is now the third largest Japanese motorcycle manufacturer in the United States, our sources tell us, a stark contrast to the leadership the brand held just 12 months ago.
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Old 09-13-2018, 05:02 PM   #9
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streetbikes in general have taken a beating in new sales
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Old 09-13-2018, 05:02 PM   #10
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Ooof. With that kind of news I wonder of Yamaha will just get out of that market entirely.
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Old 09-13-2018, 05:07 PM   #11
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Yeah, thats what i have heard also, Jon.

The big displacement bikes, are not as hot sales wise, as a few years ago.

Well, no matter to me, anyway.

Not about to get rid of my new to me, Pats 2001 FZ1.

Just returned this last Sunday, from a 1200 mile, four day tour, with Santa Cruz pals, to the Reno, NV. area.

The 2001 FZ1, ran perfectly, and the more i ride it, the better i love it.

Rode the old 2002 FZ1 yesterday, and it is showing its age, no doubt. Needs some new steering stem bearings, and a few other bits renewed. That being said, it still runs very well.

So we shall see, if i keep it. Never thought i would ever say that!

Things do change, i guess!

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Old 09-13-2018, 06:06 PM   #12
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For the street I loooooove my inline 4s. Got 3 of them at the moment. Can't get enough. Will always have inline 4s.
I do enjoy triples and V4s as well though....

But the GP bikes are a whole different animal. No human (non alien) needs that kinda power.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:37 AM   #13
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Is some of the issue weight? I would think it would be easier to get more weight on the rear wheel with a V4. Accelerating hard that shouldn't matter since 100% of the weight is on the rear wheel but does that make it easier to start getting more power down in corners?

Sucks that Yamaha's sales are down, I'm not helping, I haven't bought a new bike in 11 years. Gets hard to justify with all the used bikes around. I have a friend that went to work for Corporate Suzuki and he says in America it is the boat motors that are keeping them going.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:22 AM   #14
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Inline 4's don't feel great to me, too much top end, and not enough low to mid-range.

If you haven't tried a V-twin/4, do yourself a favor and sample one ASAP!
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My next bike will be a V4 Tuono or a Superduke ... BUT, will always keep a I4 bike.
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Inline 4's don't feel great to me, too much top end, and not enough low to mid-range.

If you haven't tried a V-twin/4, do yourself a favor and sample one ASAP!
Vee twos make me yawn. I understand folks like 'em. Not hating. Just not my jam.
I like the screamers!
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Vee twos make me yawn. I understand folks like 'em. Not hating. Just not my jam.
I like the screamers!
You like your, or had a V-Rod?
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Had most configs. Triples are my favoritest.
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You like your, or had a V-Rod?
I like it for what it is. A decent cruiser that has mid controls.
Plenty of power and it handles better than any other pig hardley. It is NOT an exciting engine.
I bought it mainly to ride with my gf. She has a 650 V-Star. It felt weird riding (slow) with her while on my sport bikes.
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Yah if I were to ride again a triple it would be!!
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