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View Poll Results: What would YOU do?
Get the repair done over the winter. I like my car pristine! 23 71.88%
Check the oil and top off whenever. Get it fixed when I'm tired of dripping oil in the parking lot! 3 9.38%
Use some type of "Stop Leak/Seal Restorer" and see if it works! 2 6.25%
Screw it, oil is cheap and the car has 140K on it! 4 12.50%
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:44 PM   #21
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It's pretty obvious isn't it? If you are going to keep the car then get it fixed.
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:46 PM   #22
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1. Fix it and keep it.

2. Sell it for a solid truck. For a single bike, a hitch hauler is a super easy way to haul it.
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Old 10-24-2017, 03:07 PM   #23
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If you plan on keeping and have the $ for repair... get it fixed.
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Old 10-24-2017, 03:53 PM   #24
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IF you're going to have them rip into it and fix the gasket, also ask them about the timing chain tensioner and the water pump.

Often the water pump is buried deep where the timing chain/belt is located, and a lot of the cost of replacing the water pump is just getting to it. And they do fail after 100 - 150k miles. IF it will be accessible when they get to the cover, and IF it has never been changed, now is a good time to do it.

Same questions for the timing chain tensioner.
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Old 10-24-2017, 04:51 PM   #25
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That's too much oil leaking for me to be comfortable with. If it were me and I planned on keeping it I would fix it. But again that's just me.
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Old 10-24-2017, 04:59 PM   #26
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Let's clarify that I'm not leaving a 1/2 qt of oil in my parking lot. Relatively small oil drop on the ground.

I don't drive it all that often.

Yes, if I'm keeping it, I might as well fix it. Already figured that one. Then again, maybe I just add oil and list it for sale and see if I get any bites. A truck would be nice, paying way too much money for a used truck with way too many miles to justify the price IS NOT something I want to do. The valuation of trucks is worse than the valuation of bikes in our "Best of Craigslist" thread IMHO. And I don't want a loan. And mandatory full coverage insurance to go with it. So in reality, unlikely to get a truck now.

I'm just surprised y'all wouldn't go through a cheap gallon or two and wait to get it fixed, that'll be like February or March. Like there's no harm in waiting some. 500$ isn't something for me to just sneeze at. Yes, my mechanic is smart enough to have already suggested preventive replacement.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:34 PM   #27
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Try using a high mileage motor oil and see if it helps.

I agree with most others advise though. Fix it if you're going to keep it.
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Old 10-24-2017, 10:08 PM   #28
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Screw it, no big deal. Put a little oil in it once in a while, who cares?
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Old 10-25-2017, 01:39 AM   #29
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A truck would be nice, paying way too much money for a used truck with way too many miles to justify the price IS NOT something I want to do. The valuation of trucks is worse than the valuation of bikes in our "Best of Craigslist" thread IMHO. And I don't want a loan. And mandatory full coverage insurance to go with it. So in reality, unlikely to get a truck now.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When I bought my last truck, a 96 f250 SCSB with a 7.3 powerstroke diesel, I only paid $900 for it. It needed quite a bit of work though. Interior wasn't all that great, needed a transmission, and I've since replaced the alternator, water pump, and did a full 4" exhaust and 4" intake with a tuner. I figure I have about $3500 into it now. After I rebuilt the trans with stage 3 clutches, a shift kit, a big torque converter, and a mishimoto cooler, and did some better interior from various junkyards.

Last month I was up to 525k miles, and although it burns a little oil (.5qt every oil change) it's rock solid, now that I've rebuilt the front suspension with new 10 ply tires, I wouldn't hesitate to drive it anywhere. Gets 17-18mpg city driving, and low 20s at 70mph.

Although, when I bought it I was doing a lot more towing than I do now, like that 28' behemoth enclosed trailer in the background, nowadays I just drive my car or the bike most of the time.



Deals are out there, ready to be had, just get your finances in order with cash in hand and start looking. Because when you find one that isn't too good to be true, and it's on Craigslist, you'll likely be racing 3 other people to go buy it.

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Old 10-25-2017, 05:49 AM   #30
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When I bought my last truck, a 96 f250 SCSB with a 7.3 powerstroke diesel, I only paid $900 for it. It needed quite a bit of work though. Interior wasn't all that great, needed a transmission, and I've since replaced the alternator, water pump, and did a full 4" exhaust and 4" intake with a tuner. I figure I have about $3500 into it now. After I rebuilt the trans with stage 3 clutches, a shift kit, a big torque converter, and a mishimoto cooler, and did some better interior from various junkyards.

Last month I was up to 525k miles, and although it burns a little oil (.5qt every oil change) it's rock solid, now that I've rebuilt the front suspension with new 10 ply tires, I wouldn't hesitate to drive it anywhere. Gets 17-18mpg city driving, and low 20s at 70mph.

Although, when I bought it I was doing a lot more towing than I do now, like that 28' behemoth enclosed trailer in the background, nowadays I just drive my car or the bike most of the time.



Deals are out there, ready to be had, just get your finances in order with cash in hand and start looking. Because when you find one that isn't too good to be true, and it's on Craigslist, you'll likely be racing 3 other people to go buy it.
Nice truck! These trucks are rock solid. i have a '90 F150 which I basically got for free (traded a desktop pc). Did a few things, including rebuilding the A/C, and it is a perfect light duty vehicle. With the hitch hauler, I can one-person load the bike and easily go anywhere. Got it painted last summer so now it is all one color and shiny again. Only 162k and it runs like a top.
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:29 AM   #31
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Nice truck! These trucks are rock solid. i have a '90 F150 which I basically got for free (traded a desktop pc). Did a few things, including rebuilding the A/C, and it is a perfect light duty vehicle. With the hitch hauler, I can one-person load the bike and easily go anywhere. Got it painted last summer so now it is all one color and shiny again. Only 162k and it runs like a top.
Thanks! These 90s powerstroke diesels are virtually unkillable as long as you keep coolant and oil in it.

https://youtu.be/HrdcKBBVTJM

One video I love to provide on the subject, a 800k mile 7.3. Was a test mule for bio-fuels, propane, and nitrous systems, with literally dozens over 600whp dyno runs, that puts it respectably into the 4 digit torque numbers. ON A STOCK ENGINE, simply astounding.

The only problem with dozens of over 600whp dyno runs? The connecting rods are known quite well to only last to 500whp
So the connecting rod failure is not surprising to me. But LOOK at those bearing surfaces, for a 800k mile engine, it's amazing.

Miles don't matter nearly as much as maintenance does.
If you take care of it, it'll take care of you

Hijack over. Lol
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Old 10-25-2017, 09:02 AM   #32
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Let's clarify that I'm not leaving a 1/2 qt of oil in my parking lot. Relatively small oil drop on the ground.

I don't drive it all that often.
If every 2 weeks you add oil, you don't drive it much, it isn't leaking from that gasket to the ground, then where is the oil going?

Sounds like might be another problem?
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:07 PM   #33
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Yeah, I'm thinking there is more going on here than just a timing cover leak.

Have you checked your PCV system to make sure it is functioning properly? PCV valve clogged? If so, clean with carb cleaner or replace. Hoses clogged or collapsed? The PCV system is designed to maintain a negative pressure in the crankcase to reduce the likelihood of oil leaks at gaskets and seals.

If you don't find anything wrong with the PCV system, I would try running a different motor oil such as Mobil Super High Mileage 10W-30. This "high mileage" oil contains seal conditioners to help prevent leaks and control oil consumption. And the cost is comparable to what you are using now at around $15 per 5 quart jug.

You might also have carbon buildup in your piston rings causing them to stick which can lead to increased oil consumption. Consider doing a Seafoam piston ring soak. Google [seafoam piston rings] for more info. If you do this, I would definitely change the oil immediately afterward.
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Old 10-25-2017, 05:10 PM   #34
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This stuff worked great for a main seal leak in my kid's '07 Mazda6. Doesn't sound like that is your problem though, it is pretty obvious because of the dinner plate size puddle of oil under the car. It is thin solvent like stuff, causes a hardened seal to soften and swell up a bit. Was shocked and pleased that it worked. My parts guy said not to waste time with the "Bars Leaks" stuff. Blue Devil is the bizness. Figured I would pass along in case yours is leaking out the main.

https://www.amazon.com/BlueDevil-Rea...seal+stop+leak
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If every 2 weeks you add oil, you don't drive it much, it isn't leaking from that gasket to the ground, then where is the oil going?

Sounds like might be another problem?
I drive it 4 or 5 times a week. But it's mostly to the gym or store that's not more than 5 miles away. I guess I drive it more than I used to but have only done 4000 miles in 6 months

You have to figure 1/3 is on the ground wherever my destination is, 1/3 is on the roadway when gravity trickles it down the backside of the engine and then the airstream under the car picks it up. and then whatever residual is on the backside, drips down when it parks. Seriously, it's not a huge spot on the ground. If it was, this wouldn't even be a poll. If I was losing mass amounts of oil to jeopardize mechanical integrity, I wouldn't be asking.


I will go through a gallon of High Mileage Oil and see if that helps at all arkie. I will check the PCV but I doubt it. It did NOT burn oil the first 15K. I checked religiously. Only after I noticed the oil loss which was the same time as the oil spots.

This was the oil spot from me driving 5 miles to the store and letting it sit for 20 min while I shopped. Bad? Yes. As bad as y'all think it is? No.
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Old 10-25-2017, 05:43 PM   #36
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That is a first gen DIT 7.3 diesel and a nice truck Michael, we had two and loved them. Both started main seal leaks, the cost of replacement was insane so we traded them. Dropping oil on a custom driveway is forbidden, Jake has to park on the street.
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Oil stains.. parking lots.. almost dropped my pretty FJR the other day when my boot slipped as I pulled her off the side stand..
That would be my concern too. I had an Acura Vigor (2.5L 5 cylinder) that I really loved that had a leak at the main seal. It was not nearly as bad as what you describe but I got rid of the car 7 years ago and my driveway has not recovered in spite of regular pressure washing.
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Due to the poll results, i have more faith in humanity.

I will also have more faith in Jake if he brings home a pickmeuptrok
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That is a first gen DIT 7.3 diesel and a nice truck Michael, we had two and loved them. Both started main seal leaks, the cost of replacement was insane so we traded them.
These first gen powerstrokes are great, parts are easy to come by since there wasn't many changes from 94.5-2003. Luckily I've not had any rear main leaks, but I have replaced the odd gasket here and there. I've contemplated going out and buying a newer truck from time to time, but this one is already so well sorted out, and there's no way I can replace it for what I've got invested in it.

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Dropping oil on a custom driveway is forbidden, Jake has to park on the street.

I do feel like we wouldn't even be having this conversation about an acceptable amount of oil leak if we were talking about jakes bike instead of the car.
Vehicles break, fix vehicle, then continue driving vehicle. You are depending on it to get you home after all.

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