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Old 05-02-2016, 06:19 PM   #1
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Lost Traction

I lost traction briefly yesterday. It's a very short video.

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Old 05-02-2016, 06:26 PM   #2
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Shiney chip seal and warm temps do the same to me, did you run through some oil or glycol ? I'm spoiled by TC on one bike but the FJR spools up just like that.
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:12 AM   #3
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:22 AM   #4
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Yikes.. at speed. My seat has a little crease down the middle after mine..
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:58 AM   #5
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Hey Mike...you definitely hit a little invisible patch of loose chip seal. No biggie at all...right. I hit a few patches on the way down Mines Rd yesterday too. My very first ride on the Gen2 at speed was pretty encouraging. Nice ride.


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Old 05-03-2016, 10:22 AM   #6
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I would say the presence of traction-reducing areas in corners is a fairly common occurrence when riding on the street. I learned from a master how to do a lookout scan at several points around each corner. I couple this with keeping my pace low enough that I can make a correction, mid-corner if needed, to avoid the problem area or even stand the bike up to go through a wet spot or patch of gravel or whatever.

But even with all that, I've had many similar slips. What I have tried to do is preach to myself that even if the tires slide some, the traction will probably come back. 99% of the time it does. I count on that, and always tell myself it will come back. That way I stay calm and don't make any abrupt movements or corrections when it happens. The typical result is what you experienced - a little slip then it's all ok again.

Sometimes it doesn't come back. My crash at the track last year. Rossi's crash at COTA this year. That's why we wear gear, and stack the odds in our favor. There are no guarantees in this sport.

You run a good quick pace, Mike.
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:52 AM   #7
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I would say the presence of traction-reducing areas in corners is a fairly common occurrence when riding on the street. I learned from a master how to do a lookout scan at several points around each corner. I couple this with keeping my pace low enough that I can make a correction, mid-corner if needed, to avoid the problem area or even stand the bike up to go through a wet spot or patch of gravel or whatever.

But even with all that, I've had many similar slips. What I have tried to do is preach to myself that even if the tires slide some, the traction will probably come back. 99% of the time it does. I count on that, and always tell myself it will come back. That way I stay calm and don't make any abrupt movements or corrections when it happens. The typical result is what you experienced - a little slip then it's all ok again.

Sometimes it doesn't come back. My crash at the track last year. Rossi's crash at COTA this year. That's why we wear gear, and stack the odds in our favor. There are no guarantees in this sport.

You run a good quick pace, Mike.
I ride a pace that is comfortable to me. This is one of my favorite sections of road. I have another video of this section called Guard2Guard with the camera mounted low.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:57 PM   #8
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Nice recovery! That road definitely begs to be ridden!
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Old 05-03-2016, 04:41 PM   #9
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You might be getting a bit too comfy with that road, or not at as comfortable a pace as you think. My armchair quarterback eye spotted what appeared to be crappy line choice in two places before the spin-up.

I've got no room to talk though. Especially when I was riding a super-moto on the street. I'd drive anyone following me nuts with my line choices. The damn bike just didn't care what line I took so I got lazy about keeping my lines clean. I used warn riders when I was on that bike "Do yourself a favor and don't follow my lines" LOL.
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Old 05-03-2016, 09:13 PM   #10
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The video doesn't quite show how steeply uphill that section is and how tight several of the right handers are. I always worry about traction there but haven't lost it... yet.
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Old 05-03-2016, 09:42 PM   #11
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What? Me take a bad line? Why I never.....
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:38 AM   #12
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And people thought the Exorcist was scary. I've run ove tar snakes at slower speed and it wasn't pleasant. Any indication from inside the tread? could have left a deposit if it was fluid of any sort. What tyres are fitted?
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:43 AM   #13
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And people thought the Exorcist was scary. I've run over tar snakes at slower speed and it wasn't pleasant. Any indication from inside the tread? could have left a deposit if it was fluid of any sort. What tyres are fitted?
My Q3 front and RoadSmart2 rear are in good shape. The only thing that happened is that that I gave the bike more throttle than traction allowed for at the point. No Sand, no oil, no big deal. 2 turns later and I'm all hooligan again.
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Old 05-05-2016, 06:24 AM   #14
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Nothing like a slip or two to warm you up!

I had a bad rear tire over the weekend that was slipping on almost every corner...I stayed toasty all day.
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Nothing like a slip or two to warm you up!

I had a bad rear tire over the weekend that was slipping on almost every corner...I stayed toasty all day.
And yet kept a great pace.

His rear wheel had shredded tire dust, about the consistency of dry grated parmesan cheese, in all the nooks and crannies and behind all the spokes, all over it.
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That'll ruin the exit fun.

I notice your revs weren't quite as high for the next few turns.

It's called the unpucker interval.
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And yet kept a great pace.

His rear wheel had shredded tire dust, about the consistency of dry grated parmesan cheese, in all the nooks and crannies and behind all the spokes, all over it.
So I guess he's not a Z8 fan. Send me pix if you have them.
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No pics of that. Just imagine if you statically charged a wheel then dipped it in a big tub full of finely chewed rubber.

He was wise to skip the last run on 341. Not sure the tire would have made it home from there.

ps he'll sell the new set of Z8's in his garage for a big discount. I passed after he talked himself out of ever buying another one.
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Old 05-05-2016, 03:55 PM   #19
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Here is the section using Google street view. Just head up the hill.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.3277...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:11 AM   #20
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Post the other video you took that day. I'm trying to get mine posted. I have movie maker and I'm having a little trouble editing it.

Q3 on the rear and that might not have happened??? Just run 28 psi...maybe 30 max. Heading to Laguna in the morning to get bike looked at by suspension guru Dave Moss. Just getting a base setting and sag checked prior to my trackday next month.

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